GG Tierlist based of mainly Discography. Been a fan since 2019

I think manon is purposely being left out because hybe knows she is the most popular member. This will make everyone talk about her and katseye, ultimately making them more popular(and money). Hybe is so good at making, spreading, and promoting rumors. I would not be surprised if members being left out is a marketing strategy to stir up discourse. And it’s working. Making the members seem as though they beef with manon is just another way to increase this discourse. I don’t think that the girls have animosity towards each other. (This I don’t know for sure) Keep in mind this is a theory and NOT rooted in factual information. Please don’t take this at face value. It is not a guarantee of truth, rather a prediction based on PR experience. submitted by /u/Clueto [link] [comments]

I recently saw a video of the Backstreet Boys’ concert at The Sphere and thought the screen and visual effects were really impressive. They really made the most out of that massive screen, and I think some K-pop groups could pull off something just as amazing. I know many already have incredible stage designs, but which groups do you think could totally slay a concert at The Sphere? submitted by /u/Pudding_milkt3a [link] [comments]

I want to start off by saying I’m so glad that the member’s get a lot more freedom now, and this has nothing to do with the members themselves or how the company treats them. I’m also speaking strictly as a flover, so not sure if Wendy’s fans feel the same. This is strictly about the business side of things, which I doubt the members are heavily involved in. ASND, despite being a small company, utilizes the same capitalistic tactics that HYBE/Pledis do to maximize profits with barely any effort. It’s not that they don’t deserve to make money, but the lack of effort to actually figure out how to cater to fans outside of the core fanbase in Korea and expand. They’ve always been very underrated in the west, and are often looked over but not really “nugu” bc they’re popular in Korea. The recent popularity of “Supersonic” for sure helped them gain a bit more popularity in the west as well. I’m not saying fromis should be westernized, but ASND’s bare minimum care for fans, Korean and international, is appalling and I really wish more fans would call the company out on it. EXAMPLE 1: Delaying the come back announcement until 2 weeks before the release. So many other groups that had come backs around the same time had announced them a month sometimes two months before. ASND’s decision to do this makes it hard for fans to hype it up. There were still people that had no idea fromis even still together. The song is doing really well in Korea to no one’s surprise (because the EP is a banger), but an earlier announcement would’ve helped it be more successful. EXAMPLE 2: The “cheapness” of the physical albums. The nicest part of the albums was the paper they used for the photobook and the poster and the pictures themselves. Everything else in my opinion was very disappointing. The design of the albums overall was very, for lack of a better term, ugly, especially the choice of font and color combos. The digipacks, although beautiful, are at risk of being ripped as soon as you open it and have no inclusions (pc’s and the booklet that comes with every cd doesn’t count as inclusions). The “special” zine version is the “nicest” looking one, but just comes with a giant newspaper in place of a photobook, a cheap bag, and a giant box that should’ve been designed to look like a donut box (considering they had a box of donuts in the pictures, this was a missed opportunity). The stinginess on the inclusions is the part that makes me believe that ASND, for the most part, only sees fans as wallets (as most companies do, but a lot of fans are more casual and will only buy an album if they really like it, banking on an already small fanbase being mostly whales is an oversight on their part), and wants to see what bare minimum they can get away with. The inclusions are the same as the inclusions they had under Pledis. 2/10 photocards for each of the 3 photobook ver, the special ver, and the 2 “postcard ver” (which is a poca/qr album but the flo app doesn’t work in most countries, and you only get 2 postcards), then 1/5 for each of the digis bringing the total albums photocards to 85 across 11 versions. Not to mention the 100000 fansign/fancall events they did (they are still doing some at the time of writing this despite promos being over weeks ago). This isn’t a “small company” issue, this is simply greed, and they know that although the number of hardcore fans is small, they’re there and they will buy it, BUT IT’S NOT VIABLE BECAUSE THE FANDOM IS ALREADY SMALL. There are a lot of other smaller companies with really creative album designs, packaging, and inclusions. EXAMPLE 3: Using fromm as their official/exclusive marketplace excludes a lot of fans outside of Korea. When the membership kits were announced, many flovers in Asia were surprised by how the expensive the shipping was, flovers in the west also experienced the same shock. Not everyone has the privilege of using a K-addy all the time. ASND needs to find an alternative that would help alleviate the financial pressure on international fans. A $5 pack of stickers from the pop-up costs $45 to ship, in what universe does that make sense. EXAMPLE 4: The world tour. The announcement of the world tour came as a shock to all flovers. So many flovers were so excited to finally get to see fromis_9 live. It made sense that they would hold a concert in Seoul first to kick things off, and considering their popularity, many flovers thought an Asia tour would be first. Nope. It was the US. A sudden random announcement at 10AM on July 1st, saying tickets will be on sale 2 days later. I’m not sure who in ASND thought this was a good idea. Probably because it’s a common practice that a lot of groups do, especially ones from a certain company, but that was never going to work for a group like fromis. They haven’t stepped foot in America since KCON 2019, there are tours from groups that are much more popular in America happening at the same time, as well as groups announcing their tours well in advance. No one expected fromis to come here so soon, and nobody was prepared. Pair that with the gigantic venues they booked, terrible VIP packages, and outrageous prices, you get a tour that isn’t selling well. Wonderwall not even having a 5:1 photo for a $260 VIP package but 5:10 is insane as well as a silly lottery for a polaroid. I really hope the members don’t take it to heart if it’s unsuccessful, they were set up to fail miserably. This brings me back to how ASND doesn’t actually care about international fans, if they did they would’ve toured Asia first, built hype, have fromis do some kind of US press tour, and then tour here. ASND and the promoters involved set them up to fail, and I feel bad for the members. EXAMPLE 5: The tour merch. I don’t even know where to start. I understand it’s minimalist, but this is beyond minimalist, this is lazy. The t-shirt being only one size, excludes a lot of fans korean and international. The hat having only one color way. Not to mention how boring everything else is (except the keychain). This is clearly a cash grab. This is the minimal effort for maximum profit I’m talking about. While ASND has improved the experience for international fans such as providing English, Chinese, and Japanese subs that is the bare minimum to include international fans. As I stated earlier, ASND cannot rely on the couple dozen of hardcore fans that buy everything to be sustainable. As well as turning to US fans thinking they can get some quick cash, tours are expensive, and they overestimated themselves and did no market research. The company wanting to go the commercialized route to milk fans, but also doing it in a lazy way will lead to many people being hesitant into buying things. I hope ASND continues to allow fromis the freedom they have, as well as continue to make amazing music. But business and fan engagement wise, there needs to be improvement as well as the company taking accountability for its greediness. flovers should also call out the company and have them understand that changes are needed. Yes their previous company was bad, but the tactics and care ASND has for the fans is almost as bad as how Pledis/HYBE were to flovers. Throwing bare minimum things to make money. So don’t defend them saying they’re new and small. I really hope changes and improvements are made soon. Let me know what you guys think submitted by /u/anmwinn [link] [comments]

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I actually saw a couple of tweets and posts on insta abt how Manon from Katseye is being treated differently from other often mistreated. And how members seem distant from her. Like what is actually going on submitted by /u/Critical_Year_4762 [link] [comments]

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I'm genuinely curious—how would they be nominated or awarded Rookie of the Year at the MAMA Awards, considering the category is usually separated into male and female artists? Or do you think MAMA might eventually create a separate category for co-ed groups now that they're starting to rise? submitted by /u/why_dmn [link] [comments]

My library has kpop albums but I wonder what happens to all the stuff, surprisingly they also have quite a few older out of print stuff submitted by /u/Temporary_Potato_254 [link] [comments]

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I’m having trouble figuring out which is the best/more trustworthy websites to buy albums, merch, etc. I’ve heard of kpopalbum, kpopmerch, Kpop USA, Olive Young and plenty more but I’ve never actually ordered from anywhere other than like official group stores. Group wise lowkey looking for more main known groups but the only not “as known” or I can’t find in most places in Allday Project submitted by /u/Amberlily1 [link] [comments]

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The group that brought me to KPop was Black pink,” kill this love.” The level of production was incredible and high cost was shown. You can tell the by the level of detail and effort that was put into the video. The girls look amazing. Rose was the one that caught my attention with the car scene. I was hook and start to listen to all their songs. During their hiatus, I fell hard for Twice, “Can’t stop me.” I can appreciate how detail and higher production Korean POP music videos are compare to the west. The variety shows allows you to get inside perspective of your idol’s personalities. I had become a multi-stan. There are many hardworking and passionate small KPop idols that deserve some appreciation as well. I wish all KPop groups the best of luck. submitted by /u/Historical-Hyena-622 [link] [comments]

Know there's a lot of discussion about American kpop concerts especially because of recent tour prices so thought I would share my two cents based off my TXT experiences. Background, I'm a huge MOA from Canada and I went to multiple American shows in 2024 and all 3 days of the encore in Seoul. I was tired of them not going to Canada so I pulled the trigger and decided to travel. Seems like the right choice as no surprise no Canada for this year either. Obviously, I did all this before the current American political situation, but unpopular opinion, I would still go to this year’s US concerts if I could. I can’t because of important work projects in September. Hoping I can go see them in Japan instead. But that’s a whole different can of worms due to ticket lotteries (Weverse Global lotteries heavily speculated to give crap seats) and strict no recording but I think it would be fun to make a Japan trip out of it. Anyways I’m writing this post because I think a lot of fans have a very rose-tinted view on concerts held in Korea mainly due to the lower prices. Seeing expensive US VIP prices and saying to just go to Korea instead… As someone who did extensive research on Korean concerts and ticketing and experienced it, there’s definitely a lot of drawbacks to it. Obviously, my experiences are only based off TXT concerts, but I know people who have gone to other kpop concerts in Korea and had similar experiences. But feel free to share if you experienced something completely different. Ticketing Experience For the US tour, last year my friends came in clutch and helped me secure multiple VIP1 sendoff tickets and VIP2 soundcheck tickets. I value being super close to the stage and being barricade was amazing. Also being able to talk and get selfies with my fave group is something I’ll always treasure. VIP1 was $700 USD and VIP2 was $500 USD, but I’ll happily pay that again because it’s worth it to me. Now I missed the tour so much that I decided to go see the encore in Korea. If you’re not familiar with ticketing in Korea, many popular shows will only let you buy ONE ticket per concert date on your account. The account is tied to your passport which needs to be verified by the website. They do ID checks so you need to be the person buying the ticket to get your wristband and check in at the concerts. You’re truly in this alone. No help from others. And if you want to go to concerts with friends, then you better hope everyone gets tickets for the same dates. If you want to watch together, what you can do is give up your better seat to a stranger and sit with your friend. I saw Koreans do this. Also basic stuff, but you need the fanclub membership if you’re serious about getting ANY TICKET. It’s not like America where lots of tickets could still be left for general sale. They will not reserve anything if it sells out and it would only be cancelled tickets if there are any. Some fanclubs don’t allow you to join anytime like Weverse. If it’s only open during limited times (which makes sense to prevent scalpers or less casual fans) then you’re pretty screwed for getting tickets. If you want to see how bad Korean ticketing is, check out NCT Dream trying to ticket for their own show and badly struggling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT8S8En0ZTk It’s also very well known that the Global versions of Interpark, Melon Ticket, and Yes24 are worse then the Korean sites which make getting tickets harder. The websites are known to crash a lot. Fans have seen tickets available on the Korean sites that don’t show up for Global sites. Also, for specifically Global Interpark, when tickets go on sale, you need to refresh and then it shows the button that lets you enter the queue. Korean Interpark you don’t need to refresh the page and it lets you enter right away. The queue is first come first serve so your internet speed and when you join does matter. That’s why often international fans get much worse tickets then Koreans. Koreans take internet speed for ticketing very seriously as they normally go to PC cafes which have the best internet speed. Let’s talk pricing. TXT’s US send off was $700 USD last year. They did similar meet and greet tickets for 198,000 won ($140 USD). So much cheaper right? Well those tickets are heavily bought up by resellers. Resale might “technically” be illegal in Korea but it still happens especially for M&G and VIP tickets. I met a US group order manager last year and she knew lots of resources to buy things in Korea. I was curious and asked her about resale prices for TXT M&G. Her reliable sources had dozens of tickets from 2.5M-3M won+ (1800-2150 USD+)… HYBE does try to do Weverse membership lotteries for Korean concerts, but scalpers do this too. Even normal fans make and buy dozens of accounts to try to get those M&G tickets. I saw someone make 20 accounts and not get a single M&G. They spent 500,000 won ($360 USD) just trying. Imagine how many accounts scalpers buy to win those lotteries. Clearly many fans are willing to pay a ton for these type of tickets. NCT 127 had send off and took selfies with North American fans and Asian fans were very angry. Saying how they would gladly pay $500 USD for those tickets but they don't get those opportunities. Even if you do manage to get resale, it’s still sketchy because tickets are not meant to be transferable. So, resellers either use macro bots to quickly cancel the ticket on their end and rebuy it on the buyer’s account. Or they meet up in person, check in and give the account info and wristband to the buyer. Companies are doing Face ID now, but resellers are still able to somehow put someone else’s face on the account. Even if this all goes well, you still run the risk of not getting in. This happened with TWS recently. They did M&G for concert and many fans were not able to get in because they got resale and the staff were very strict with checking the account info and ID. Fans knew the risk and you know what they do? They swear at HYBE, blaming them. How it’s not their fault that scalpers do this and that they just want to meet their faves. Ok let’s say you don’t manage to get any tickets during ticketing, you could still get a ticket because people can cancel and refund their tickets up to the concert date. Issue is that you will need to camp out and stalk the websites for popular groups. At least for Interpark, the queue is very slow and sometimes fans have had to stay in queues for DAYS (this was for Seventeen) to see the map and if any tickets were available. If not they rejoin and try again. This requires you to really be dedicated to the process and honestly I can’t be bothered to do this. If you’re not happy with your seat, you can also hope a better on shows up. Issue is that again your account is usually restricted to a ticket a day. To buy another one, you can’t have a ticket on your account. If you cancel your own ticket then you run the risk of not being able to go at all. Overall, Korean ticketing can be quite complicated and time consuming. I would gladly pay more to get a good seat without going through all this. Many international fans get the worse seats available which are usually still $100 USD. Same price as nosebleeds in the US. If you’re already in the US then it’s likely not worth going unless you really want to experience Korean concerts or are going to Korea anyways. Concert View As I said before, I value being very close to the stage. I’ve done GA for TXT and also multiple other big kpop concerts in Canada. They have all been FAR better experience then standing floor in Korea. TXT Kspo Dome concerts had 4000 people on the floor. Their Inspire Arena had 5000 people. For comparison, American arena floors have been around 1200-1300 max from my experiences if it’s GA. It’s never super cramped and it’s spread out across the entire floor and stage. In Korea, sections can have 1000+ people for one tiny part of the stage. You truly get packed in like sardines. My experience was awful as my standing ticket number wasn’t even bad. I got in right after the M&G people in my section, but it was so tight and people kept pushing that people around me got crushed during the concert and we had to call the members for help. And I could barely see because Chinese fans raised their phones so damn high. I know this is a common thing for concerts in general, but I’ve never seen it THIS BAD. My section was primarily Chinese fans and I heard this is common so a lot of Koreans actually avoid the standing sections. I am not judging this based on just my experience, I’ve talked to other fans who went to concerts in Korea and this is common. Even Koreans complain about Chinese fans online. Optimal seats for small arena type venues are the seats sections next to the floor but those are usually taken by Koreans. Most travelling foreigners I met at the show either got crappy standing tickets or the upper sections because again the ticketing experience gives better chances to Koreans. Also some groups play smaller venues in America then Korea. Think groups like NCT 127, NCT Dream, and Seventeen. It is super hard to get tickets in Korea and they play venues like Gocheok Sky Dome which is infamously known to be an awful venue and hard to see from most areas. You pay more in America, but you generally will have a better view. Good things about Korean Concerts Of course there are always good things. Ticket prices are great all my Korean tickets cost only 154,000 won per day ($110 USD). Korean concerts also get better quality merch and it’s cheaper. If you are in seats, you sit down unless they tell you to stand. Very comfortable experience honestly. No annoying screaming and fans are very respectful for the most part. Hearing fan chants is incredible experience! Production is usually better and TXT get backup dancers in Korea. They also do a lot more encore songs as well. Overall, I’m glad that I went because I truly loved the tour so much, but I will admit that the US tour was far more enjoyable even though it was much more expensive and tiring (due to GA floor and queuing). And I do like having the guys speak English or have translators compared to just not knowing what they’re saying in Korea. My take on Korean Concerts Ok this rant was a lot longer then I expected… What should you take away. Should you go to Korea for concerts? Yes, if you’re already going and a group you like is playing, you should definitely try to get tickets and experience what a Korean concert is like! But should you purposely just go for the concert? Depends on what you value. Do you care about just getting any ticket and watching it? Go for it. But if you’re picky then rethink it. If you’re not ok ending up with a crap standing or seated ticket then you might be very disappointed. It is possible to get good tickets but that either requires a lot of money or time and energy from you to stalk the ticket websites. My experiences comes from a place where I can attend both American and Korean concerts so that’s why I say American ones are better. Obviously not everyone can go to America (much more expensive) but in my situation, I would keep picking them because of what I value. submitted by /u/lightups000 [link] [comments]

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I already know that I’m gonna get downvoted for this by the people that do it…but like as the title states, I feel like it’s so unnecessary to call your idols ‘unnie’ or ‘oppa’. Even when I translate Korean comments on YouTube or Insta etc they don’t use honorifics like that??? I don’t know if it’s just me submitted by /u/Ok_Tower_8604 [link] [comments]