Still can't get over this "This Is For" poster of them

’ve been following Le Sserafim for a while now and I’m really curious about how much potential people think they have in the long run. They debuted with a lot of hype as one of the “next big” 4th gen girl groups, and their concept feels unique compared to some of their groups. They’ve shown versatility with strong stage presence, good vocals, and a confident image that isn’t always easy to pull off. At the same time, they’ve faced setbacks like controversies and mixed public reception with certain performances, which makes me wonder how much that might impact their growth. How far do you think Le Sserafim can go? Do you see them becoming one of the defining girl groups of this generation, or do you think they’ll peak early? Would love to hear everyone’s honest takes. submitted by /u/StaffNervous246 [link] [comments]

Who are your favourite underrated kpop groups, and your bias and bias wrecker? submitted by /u/Impressive_Mode_9993 [link] [comments]

This post was inspired by me being both a Stay and Swiftie. I've noticed that (at least on my side of the internet) there is an overlap of the two fandoms. Like Swifties are Stays and Stays are Swifties (obviously not all of them but still) . The amount of people I've seen post about Karma (the SKZ one) being released around the same time as the long awaited orange album from Taylor which was once thought to also be named Karma is crazy. I also just think the reasons to like both of them as artists is similar like both being heavily involved in the making of their music. Anyway, am I wrong about this connection and have you seen any other fandoms that go together like this? submitted by /u/Clp_1889 [link] [comments]

seeing this makes me feel sad about all the amazing idols i know nothing about 😔✊ submitted by /u/israswrld [link] [comments]

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I'm hoping that the album would be something like Love Yourself Trilogy, HYYH, and MAP OF THE SOUL: PERSONA. submitted by /u/Impressive_Mode_9993 [link] [comments]

I see posts often asking about dancers who are good at singing, but I don’t see the opposite asked as much! As someone who doesn’t know much about dance I would love to hear y’alls opinions. I didn’t think SVT Seungkwan or EXO DO were considered good at dancing, but I saw a professional dancer rank them fairly high within their respective groups! Ngl i thought DK was better than Seungkwan which goes to show how much i know 😅 Oh obviously there’s Jungkook ofc! submitted by /u/Lilac-Soul [link] [comments]

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I'm so sick and tired of these fanwars. They've been going on since the beginning of time, and its mostly between fandoms of the most popular groups. (SKZ, TXT, etc.) They're completely unnecessary, and most of the time people are just looking for something to argue about. Stays and Moas argue all the time, which is hysterical to me because its been proven time and time again that TXT and SKZ are friends. The arguments mostly consist of who the "It boy" is like that even really matters because both groups are great in their own way. Then they try to pin the idols themselves against each other, and thats just ridiculous to me. Even way back, when Blinks and Armies would argue, there was literally no point. On one hand there would be a fan war over the amount of views either group got on a MV or the number of events they went to, and then on the other hand people would be shipping them together. Recently, a few of the BTS members went to Blackpinks concert, so its clear they support each other. I just can't stand the negativity when it comes to different groups. Instead of fans thinking "oh these are two big groups with a similar amount of popularity, so they're probably friends and may even be helping each other through all the fame" they immediately assume they are in competition and hate each other. All idols are literally under the same boat in this industry, so it would make no sense to hate each other because of popularity points. Not to mention they're GROWNNNN. Idk, I just feel like it creates tension between groups when fans will do things like over analyze a video of an award show event and claim that two idols were glaring at each other or something. Just because fandoms hate each other, doesn't mean the groups do too. Its immaturity at best. Thoughts?? submitted by /u/girlwith_wheels [link] [comments]

So, I'll keep it as vague as possible because this is my anonymous reddit account and I want to keep it as unrecognizable as possible, lol.. Anyway I need a list of all the BOY GROUPS (I'll make a GG version later) fandom "lands" or "places" for a funny creative project (that I won't explain because I might post it later and I don't want it to be linked to this post) I'm a multistan but it's hard to keep up equally with all groups so I don't know if ALL groups have an 'official" land name (like Stayville, it's "official" 'cause I've never seen a Stay call it any other thing, same for Ncity, etc. So those are fanmade "official" names) but if they don't have one then I wouldn't mind some help if y'all shared some ideas for those groups too! :) thank u! This is the list of groups/band/solists that I need: Boy Groups (2nd → 5th gen) 2nd Gen (still active / fandom alive): TVXQ Super Junior SHINee BIGBANG 2PM INFINITE B1A4 Highlight (BEAST) 3rd Gen: EXO BTS GOT7 MONSTA X Seventeen NCT iKON WINNER SF9 Astro Pentagon The Boyz Golden Child ONF VIXX 4th Gen: Stray Kids ATEEZ TXT Treasure ENHYPEN Cravity P1harmony CIX AB6IX MCND WEi DKB Oneus Verivery E’LAST Mirae 5th Gen (rookies but already with fandoms): Zerobaseone (ZB1) RIIZE Boynextdoor TWS xikers &TEAM NEXZ K-Bands: Day6 Xdinary Heroes The Rose N.Flying ONEWE FTISLAND CNBLUE Lucy Soloists (never were in a group, or treated as solo from the start) Eric Nam DEAN I probably forgot TONS of groups/bands/solists so please add them if you want!!! The only requirements are: Still active/active fandom Slightly known, doesn't need to be the MOST known groups but I sadly can't put EVERY existent boy group... so we'll have to make a selection of the ones with a bigger fandom or more heard of 2Gen up to 5th Gen Solists need to be solists from the start, not former members of groups or bands!! Ex members solists will have their own "land" but I'll place them close to their Ex group/band's land. If a group or band does not have an "official" land name we can create one! For example, I'm a MOA but honestly I don't think we have a land name? We could live in the magic island though (A TxTs song and part of the lore, for those who don't know/stan) So no requirements for it other than it should fit the group theme or the fandom name! :D Thank you in advance!! I hope this will get some attention because I really need help for the project 😭 it would take ages to scroll through countless posts and memes for each group just to find out which name the fandom uses..! submitted by /u/HighKey-Anonymous [link] [comments]

((Key Becomes The Ace)) Credit For Template: u/Ok-Database9509 submitted by /u/Signal_End_7405 [link] [comments]

han - skz (my ult), 2. skz in general, 3. shuhua - idle, 4. ningning - aespa, 5. liz - ive, 6. chaeryeong & lia - itzy, 7. yoonchae - katseye, 8. cocona & hinata - xg, 9. chaeyoung & sana - twice, 10. jisoo - blackpink submitted by /u/hyun_chuu [link] [comments]

okay so I'm genuinely curious...how are Japanese & Chinese members of kpop groups viewed in Korea? I know there's some tension between the three countries, so I'm intrigued to know how it all plays out with foreign idols anyone know? submitted by /u/lovingmoka [link] [comments]

I saw so many talented groups with great music come and go without getting the big break that they deserve because they just happened to be under shitty labels that mistreated and mismanaged them. The one that hurt me the most is pentagon, who knew how big they could be if cube know how to manage and promote them properly. People said that this label is so lucky to have this group under them but i would argue is the other way around, yess the group is talented and deserve their success but so does other Hundred groups in the industry and if they debuted under a shitty labels like cube, TS or MBK ent they probably would long gone before getting their big break. submitted by /u/Party-Confection417 [link] [comments]

Day 39 Results: T-ARA wins by 1 vote! (Haha, I didn’t know it would be so close) Vote for your favorite and as always poll closes in 24 hours! If you're unsure of who to vote for, here's a couple songs to help your decision: IVE - LOVE DIVE IVE - ELEVEN IVE - KITSCH HELLOVENUS - Venus HELLOVENUS - StickySticky HELLOVENUS - Would you stay for tea? First Half Second Half Disclaimer: This tournament is not a “comparison”. The seeds were randomized and I didn’t pick the matchups. The songs picked are amongst their most popular because they’re easy to recognize. If you have another song suggestion you may leave it in the comments but please refrain from complaining about the song not being included. I also try to switch up the listed songs every new round, so the songs you might not know from a group might not be listed as they were listed the previous round. Either way, feel free to recommend them in the comments if you’d like. submitted by /u/PushOffTheGround [link] [comments]

If you spend any amount of time on K-pop Reddit, you’re bound to wind up having some sort of conversation about what K-pop is. In any discussion about the definition of K-pop, two things become immediately apparent: every person seems to have a clear idea of what K-pop is, and nobody seems to agree about what K-pop is. Now, this isn’t an issue per se. It’s well-understood that people use language in different ways depending on how they’ve developed their personal idiolects, and yet we’re all still able to communicate effectively in most cases. But what frustrates me in particular is when both parties act like their definition of K-pop is obvious and correct, while ignoring the fact that the other party’s definition is potentially equally as (or maybe even more) valid. If you are going to take one thing away from this essay, let it be this: there is no obvious definition of “K-pop”, and all of the simple, straightforward definitions have major flaws which clearly exclude them from how K-pop fans use the word. In this essay, I want to briefly discuss some of the preeminent and obvious definitions, as well as interesting but less obvious definitions which I think shed further light on the issue at hand. K-pop is Korean pop music I like to refer to this one as “the etymological definition”. It is, without a doubt, the most obvious way to define K-pop, because it relies only on the speaker’s understanding of the word “K-pop” itself. Let’s first discuss scope. Note that this definition does not refer to artists, companies, or any of the other structures that we often use “K-pop” to refer to. This definition exclusively refers to music: it is a definition of K-pop music in particular. This means that according to this definition, there are no artists who are, in themselves, K-pop. Instead, there are artists who make K-pop music, and the phrase “K-pop artist” refers to someone who primarily or exclusively makes K-pop music. So, what does this definition actually entail? Well, it has two parts: “Korean” and “pop music”. Both of these are, unfortunately, non-trivial terms to define. Does “Korean” refer to the language of the lyrics? Does it refer to the location in which the music is made? Does it refer to the ethnicity of the people who made it? And each of these questions has sub-issues: how much of the lyrics must be in Korean for it to count as Korean? How do we refer to songs which were produced in several countries, perhaps only one of which was Korea? What percentage of the production team needs to be ethnically Korean for the song to count as Korean? This is, obviously, just a set of examples. The truth is that defining “Korean” is just as hard as (if not harder than!) defining K-pop, and this brief essay could not possibly do the question justice. “Pop music” is likewise hard to define, and there is ample philosophical literature about this very question. See Gracyk’s IEP article for further reading. One more minor issue with this definition, however, is that there does seem to be Korean pop music which is not K-pop music. To illustrate this point, consider that K-pop is generally agreed to have begun in 1992, with Seo Taiji’s Nan Arayo. However, pop music in Korea did not begin to exist in 1992, and there was pop music in Korea before Nan Arayo. Thus, there must be a distinction between Korean pop music, and K-pop music. However, there are benefits to this definition as well. As already discussed, this is the most obvious and self-explanatory definition. If somebody has never heard of K-pop, and then they come across the word “K-pop”, they can easily infer what this definition entails based on the word alone. It’s also a good shorthand definition. Sure, maybe there exists K-pop which isn’t Korean, or isn’t pop music. But in general, most K-pop is Korean, and it is usually pop music, so this definition does a pretty good job most of the time. This definition categorizes these examples as follows: Probably K-pop: Girls’ Generation - Gee, Lee Sun-hee - 추억의 책장을 넘기면 / 왜 나만, AKMU - 200%, IU - Palette Maybe K-pop: Katseye - Touch, Twice - Kura Kura, WayV - The Vision, Lisa - Rockstar, Le Sserafim - Perfect Night Probably not K-pop: Dreamcatcher - Scream, Xdinary Heroes - Happy Death Day, Agust D - Agust D, XG - Woke Up, AKB48 - Koi Suru Fortune Cookie K-pop is an industry Rather than an independent definition, this is more like a family of definitions, which we can refer to as “the industry definitions”. These definitions can be aptly surmised from a classic saying among K-pop fans: “K-pop is not a genre, it’s an industry”. I refer to the industry definitions as a family of definitions because it is not clear what exactly the scope of “K-pop is an industry” refers to. Does this definition imply that companies themselves are K-pop? Does it imply that idols are K-pop? Does it imply that merchandise is K-pop? Does it imply that TikToks are K-pop? Does it imply that music is K-pop? It’s not particularly obvious from the statement itself, because “industry” could include all of these examples and more. I am, however, sympathetic to the spirit of the definitions. Consider the example of Dreamcatcher. Any K-pop fan will tell you that Dreamcatcher are a K-pop artist. According to the etymological definition, however, Dreamcatcher are definitely not a K-pop artist, since they don’t primarily make pop music. The industry definitions are designed to account for this. After all, Dreamcatcher is made up of K-pop idols who promote on K-pop programs and are run by a K-pop company. They interact with the K-pop industry in much the same way as any other K-pop act, and since (by this definition) K-pop is an industry, it makes sense to call Dreamcatcher a K-pop artist. In general, it seems like these definitions could be stated similarly to the following definition: “K-pop is the collection of structures surrounding Korean idol music”. By this definition, companies are K-pop, idols are K-pop, music shows are K-pop, and songs are K-pop. This particular definition does suffer from perhaps being too general. For example, it makes sense that HYBE is K-pop. But is HYBE America K-pop? What does “surrounding Korean idol music” even mean? Like, how many degrees of closeness to Korean idol music is required for a “structure” to count as K-pop? You’ll notice that this is a very similar issue to one that we discussed with the etymological definition. Regardless, the industry definitions certainly allow for more things that do feel like K-pop to be counted as K-pop, even if they err too far in the other direction. This definition categorizes these examples as follows: Probably K-pop: JYP Entertainment, Show! Music Core, Rosé - APT., K-pop Demon Hunters, G-Dragon Maybe K-pop: XG, Seo Taiji and Boys, Megan Thee Stallion, AKB48, Justice League (2017), T.O.P Probably not K-pop: Kendrick Lamar, Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody, Shrek K-pop is Korean idol music This definition is kind of a fusion of the previous two, and it inherits certain properties from its predecessors. The important distinction is that instead of defining K-pop based on musical genre or broader structures, this definition attempts to define K-pop in terms of the people who make it. We’ve already discussed the issues with “Korean”, so we can skip that part. Thus, our main concern here is the question: what is idol music? Suppose we adopt the following definition: “idol music is music made by idols”. The obvious question, then, is: “what is an idol?” This is pretty straightforward, at least initially. We might say that “an idol is a musician who was a trainee with a company, then debuted with a company which provided resources, music, and management for the artist.” We might also add clauses about the artist’s relationship to the company, their fans, or the industry as a whole. The most common property of an idol, however, does seem to be the trainee bit: pretty much everyone understands “idol” as the stage immediately after “trainee”. It is worth noting that due to how this definition is structured, the word “K-pop” here does refer to the music, not the idols. This definition is appealing because it seems to get at what the industry definitions are trying to do, but more clearly. This definition is explicit about the part of the industry that makes something K-pop, and it also doesn’t have the same musical restrictions as the etymological definition appears to. That said, the definition of “idol” can become quite tricky in cases. As an example, IU is sometimes argued to not be K-pop, because she might not count as an idol at this point. This brings up an interesting question: can someone stop being an idol? If the only real prerequisite is that they were once a trainee, then idols never stop being idols. Thus, it seems like there might also be a necessary clause about current activity in the K-pop industry, which brings us back to the industry definitions and their issues. Another problem with “idol” is whether the word refers to an idol-candidate's musical abilities. Is it necessary that an idol sing? Is it necessary that they dance? What if they only play instruments? It isn’t clear from this definition what constitutes an idol’s activity, which leads to more blurriness. This definition categorizes these examples as follows: Probably K-pop: Twice - Fancy, Kai - Rover, BTS - Butter Maybe K-pop: IU - Love Wins All, Xdinary Heroes - Strawberry Cake, AKMU - Dinosaur Probably not K-pop: Heize - Late Autumn, XG - Shooting Star, Tiger JK - Forever, Seo Taiji & Boys - Nan Arayo K-pop is a family resemblance This is not a popular definition, but this essay is being written by a philosophy student, which means I’ve gotta sneak some good philosophy in here. “Family resemblance” is a term used by Wittgenstein to describe groups of objects which have many properties in common with each other, but don’t necessarily all share the same property or set of properties. That’s pretty abstract, so here’s an example. Dreamcatcher - Piri is a K-pop song, I think most all of us agree on that. G-Dragon - Drama is also a K-pop song, I think most of us can agree on that too. But Piri and Drama have essentially nothing in common with each other, at all. They’re different genres, they’re in different languages, one is by a group while the other is by a soloist, G-Dragon is on the list of artists who maybe has outgrown the “idol” category, Dreamcatcher are a relatively small K-pop group, G-Dragon is absolutely massive, and so forth. The family resemblance definition attempts to answer this question: how is it possible for both Piri and Drama to be K-pop songs, when they don’t seem to share anything in common at all? The answer is that they all share certain similarities with other songs, and these songs share enough similarities with each other, that we can call the entire collective a “family” of K-pop songs. For example, Piri isn’t a lot like Drama, but Piri is a lot like Everglow’s Dun Dun, which is a lot like Everglow’s La Di Da, which is a lot like Twice’s I Can’t Stop Me. These songs are definitely, without a doubt, K-pop, and Piri fits well with the set, so it too might count as K-pop. Meanwhile, Drama isn’t a lot like Piri, but Drama is a lot like G-Dragon’s Home Sweet Home, which is a lot like BigBang’s Fantastic Baby, which is a lot like 2NE1’s I Am The Best. By the same token, then, Drama might also count as K-pop. In general, a family resemblance definition allows us to draw even broader lines than the industry definitions. For example, you could argue that a group like XG is K-pop, because they share enough resemblances to artists who are definitely K-pop. You could argue that IU is K-pop, not because she’s an idol, but because she’s close enough to the K-pop family that she might be counted as K-pop too. There are, of course, issues. It is not obvious which resemblances to consider, or how closely one must resemble something which is definitely K-pop in order to be counted as K-pop. It is also not clear how to determine what is “definitely K-pop” as a starting point. But if everything is defined in terms of each other, then we end up in a sort of dictionary paradox: how do we begin to define anything at all? Like the industry definitions, it might be better to categorize family resemblance definitions as a set of potential definitions (really ontologies, but that's not a word that I want to teach you) instead of a single definition. However, since the “definitions” in question are more of a set of items, it's not particularly easy to put forward a single-sentence definition like we did for the previous definitions. This ontology categorizes these examples as follows: Probably K-pop: Twice, BigBang, IU, BTS Maybe K-pop: XG, Katseye, WayV, Xdinary Heroes, Lee Hi, AKB48 Probably not K-pop: Owl City, Childish Gambino, Doechii K-pop is whatever people say it is Contemporary linguists tend to be descriptivist, which means they tend to define words based on how those words are used by the people who use them. This lends itself to this definition of K-pop: it is whatever it means when people use the word. This is not a particularly useful definition, because it does not provide any additional insight into the referent of the word “K-pop”. I might say “I love K-pop”, and then someone might ask “what do you mean by ‘K-pop’?”. I might then respond “I mean what I mean when I use the word “K-pop”. This is obviously true, but only by tautology: it doesn’t provide any useful new information about what I’m saying when I use the word “K-pop”. However, the point that I want to make here is a bit more abstract. Regardless of which of these definitions (if any) you agree with, it does seem to be true that words are defined by the people who use them. When two people converse, the definition of “K-pop” in that conversation seems to rely on each individual person’s conception of “K-pop”, and potentially the broader societal definition(s). When those definitions agree, the conversation goes smoothly. When those definitions disagree, the conversation runs into issues, and this potentially results in argumentation. The solution, then, is simple. Whenever you’re having a technical discussion about K-pop, be clear about what you mean by the word “K-pop”. Ask your conversational partner to likewise describe what they mean by “K-pop”. Now you’re on the same page as each other, and you can actually have a productive conversation. submitted by /u/Piri_Cherry [link] [comments]

Name any Japan idols, that fits into the category ~ it is forbidden to add any members of a completely or almost Japanese group such as Xg, NiziU ~ Please don't post the same idol twice, and instead upvote comments with the idol you'd like ~ After 24 hours the voting is closed and I'll post for the next category ~ Today category: Vocal submitted by /u/Ok-Database9509 [link] [comments]

Been a kpop stan since 2016 when i was 8 so there might be things I don't know/don't remember submitted by /u/vV_Eevee_Vv [link] [comments]