I want to make a ranking of the best rookies but I would like to know from how long ago a rookie is no longer a rookie?

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OuO; Idk why I'm here. But if I'm supposed to rant then okay- IT'S SO HARD TO FIND THE COMPANY I WANT TO AUDITION FOR! THEY ALL SEEM SO SUCCESSFUL BUT THEN I END UP READING SOMETHING ABOUT HOW THEY ABUSE THEIR TRAINEES LIKE VCHA. *who btw is debuting as Girlset and is a quartet* As a westerner who's always been taught if someone forces you to work longer than you want, you can just sue them or leave. But you can't do that if you sign up for it. So the only right option is to find THE PERFECT company. But that doesn't exist! submitted by /u/Big-Map9516 [link] [comments]

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This might be a REALLY unpopular opinion, but I don't think KATSEYE'S music is really good; don't get me wrong, this is NOT a diss at the girl's talent, bc I find it so surprising every time they give us great performances with the music quality they have. But generally, I feel like SOME of their fans are trying to paint them as artists when their music is anything but serious is funny to me. Their music doesn't come off as honest, sincere or genuine; it comes off as a trend. Like, ppl want us to believe they're a global group, but it seems to me like they're just like a K-pop group. When I think of global groups, I think One Direction, Little Mix, Spice Girls, Fifth Harmony etc... these groups gave great performances and had great voices like KATSEYE, but their music DID give off serious career vibes. It wasn't about fitting a standard just for their fans to claim it didn't, and they bent different genres and had sentimental, sincere songs as well as upbeat pop-ish ones. Also, that the members took part in the songwriting/producing. When you put into perspective that the same company that debuted KATSEYE debuted LESSERAFIM, ILLIT, ENHYPEN and NewJeans... Apart from ENHYPEN, and at times LESSERAFIM, the other two groups don't exactly give off 'serious career' I'll admit, but their songs are REALLY good, and the concept EATS every time. As well as the members taking a part in writing the songs themselves. E.g. Danielle wrote the most songs out of NewJeans, so even if the songs weren't exactly 'serious', they came off as more sincere bc the members took a part in writing them. And the concept...it was SOO good. Especially with Ditto, it was such a good song with such an honest, sentimental message. Another example is Yunah helping to write Do the Dance. I'm aware she wrote like one or two lines, but it still gives the impression that at least she's thinking about helping in the process of her and her group's music. And again, their concept eats. And ENHYPEN, my god, their storyline and concept is sooo superior. We get so many different things from them that somehow all add up, which is what I want to see from KATSEYE. It seemed like from Debut, to Touch, to then Gnarly, and finally Gabriela, everything has been so rushed. Like, each release was so inconsistent and sudden. We had cute Touch in a universe where all the other groups were shooting cuter, sweeter concepts (NewJeans Right Now, ENHYPEN Romance: Untold, ILLIT Magnetic, and I'LL LIKE YOU), then did a full 180 to Gnarly. With barely any promo, so it was a big shock and came off as kind of rushed. For example, ENHYPEN's move from Romance: Untold to Desire: Unleash was smoother bc they shot a deluxe version of Romance: Untold that allowed us to ease into the darker, sexier concept of Desire: Unleash. Also, the fact that Jay took part in the writing and producing of Helium, so it came off as more honest. Ofc, I get it if KATSEYE don't need a concept, but they should release more serious music. Like, having Lara and Manon rapping 'gang' for a literal verse and calling it a day was crazy. I want these girls to blow up even more than they have, explore serious genres and build a career that could potentially win them SOO many awards, but for that, they need good music and concepts. For now, Gnarly was all over the place, and the lyricism...well. Touch, like I said, sounded like a song made to fit a trend. Not good, but kind of bland. SIS was kind of a hit and miss; Gabriela ATE DOWNNN, but the rest of the EP seemed like it was kind of empty. Gameboy and Touch kinda gave me the same vibes, and Mean Girls was more honest and sentimental, but it wasn't promoted enough. MIA seemed kind of out of place, IMO. I hope HYBE or them decide to give them better music in the future, prepping for a real, genuine career, bc with the talent, beauty and passion these girls have, they could easily become the next top band. It just pisses me off to have so much talent and potential wasted on music as hollow as that. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, EVERYBODY'S FREE TO SHARE THEIRS!! submitted by /u/positions-deluxe [link] [comments]

I originally thought it was different groups going against eachother, but it was actually groups being split in half lol I realised when I saw the episode list that every group had a different episode but I was still confused when I found out why 😭 I was seriously thinking we'd have interactions with lots of groups 😭😭😭 submitted by /u/Gold_Meaning3688 [link] [comments]

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So let’s go back to the Girls era. I remember when aespa was getting absolutely FLAMEDD (especially Giselle) for their stage presence/ dancing skills. And I definitely agreed with it back then but now people say aespa has improved like a lot to the point where they are perfect now and it’s just like no. Notice how aespa has had backup dancers for pretty much EVERY song since Drama now. And imo having backup dancers drastically improves (or maybe creates an illusion) that you have good stage presence. If you removed all the backup dancers for Supernova, I can assure you it won’t be as good. And that’s kind of expected because it’s 4 people on (usually) a big ahh stage like 2021 MAMA💔 But then like a year or two ago I stumbled across the choreography demos for Illusion and Girls. And when I watched those for the first time I was like… Wow, they kinda did the choreographers DIRTY. And this kinda brings me to my next point. I don’t wanna hear PIM about “Oh Bada Lee always has strange choreos.” or “No wonder Girls choreo was bad when it was made by Bada Lee.” I’m sorry y’all but Bada is an AMAZING choreographer and somehow is always flamed just because she dances with power and when I watched that Girls demo that she did for the chorus I was like her and her dancers did absolutely amazing and they had actual stage presence while doing it AND were only 4 people with 0 backup dancers and I know I’m yapping here but Bada Lee AND Rie Hata should NOT have been flamed during Girls era because when I look at their choreography they do it so much better than aespa which is bound to happen bc they are literal choreographers but then I saw a dance cover of Girls and tell me why they were like 10x better than aespa they did it with actual energy. Fast forwarding to now I will agree that aespa has DEFINITELY improved but not as much as people say they do. Winter has improved the most imo especially her facial expressions and her dancing (especially in Dirty Work) is much better, same with Ningning as well! Karina was always a great dancer but her facial expressions kind of looked (and still do) a bit blank. Giselle has improved but only by a tiny bit and again the only reason y’all think she is a MUCHH better dancer is because of the backup dancers but I’m telling you she still has a VERY long way to go. At the same time I’m like maybe it’s because they sing live so they have to tone it down a bit but like even the Girls studio choom fancams were REALLY bad and hard to watch💔. All I’m saying is that they are not really as good performers as people say they are now and still should work and improve which is probably what they are doing which I hope they continue to , because if they put their ALL into performances it would be absolutely top tier which they kinda already are but it’s just something that has been on mind and I had to let it out somewhere 😭 submitted by /u/Head-Surprise-3156 [link] [comments]

Seen this conversation happening a lot over twitter and tiktok, that post early 3rd gen, vocals have been de-prioritized. This conversation has been discussed quite a lot, even here, but I think it bears a larger discussion on how KPOP has primarily focused on performance and visuals and creating viral "sounds" for short form content. Now that KPOP has expanded its global reach, especially with a movie like Kpop Demon Hunters, whose soundtrack occupies the Billboard top 10, more people are looking at the genre to get their boygroups/girlgroup hit. They want the emotional ballads, stunning harmonies, fun poppy dance songs with solid synchronized choreo...but who is doing all three? I think its rare to find a group that encompasses all of that. Who would you say hits the mark the closest? Is that mark even achievable in this era of Kpop? submitted by /u/127ncity127 [link] [comments]

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So, I went to Enhypen concert in London recently, and I had an amazing time. They put on a fun show and the crowd had great energy. After the concert, I went online to see SO many fans complaining about the concert because of the setlist, runtime etc. A few days later, fans start bickering by comparing London to their following concert in Manchester, literally just because they got one or two extra songs. I also heard that Sunoo said he had even more fun in Manchester than London (which I truly believe was simply intended to be a compliment to Manchester and nothing more), but when I tell you, engines RAN with that one. People started to say stuff like London was ‘bad’ or that Enhypen didn’t like London etc. Why does it have to be a competition between two different concert cities like that concept alone is laughable. Also, I can totally understand being a little down about not hearing a particular song you like, but honestly, it’s odd to think that people feel entitled to specific songs, especially ones that are old. Concerts aren’t easy, and we have no idea of the kind of conditions bts that cause setlists to alter. For a second, the negativity got to the point where I started to question my own memory of actually enjoying the concert because so many people had complaints. I understand some fans pay like £400+ for vip tickets, thus they feel entitled to get the perfect experience, but realistically, it's your own choice to make that kind of investment; no one is forcing you. You cannot spend that kind of money blindly and then have such sensitive expectations on stuff that you know you have no control over, like having a specific song on the setlist. Just because drunk-dazed is one of their most popular songs, it doesn’t mean they HAVE to play it. There is also discussion about the runtime being too short (I’d say it’s just over two hours). 2 hours is quite normal. I'd also prefer a longer concert because of the price, but K-pop companies have literally always overpriced things. It's unethical, but not surprising at all to anyone who hasn’t been living under a rock. Just because another group you saw did 3 hours with 10 encore songs, doesn’t mean you are owed this from Enhypen at all. Anyway, I fear the solution to this is simply for me to get off the internet for a while, cuz it seems like some of these fans will always have something to complain about. submitted by /u/Odd_Bison4256 [link] [comments]

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Eyyyy. Just saw the show. I don't really listen to Kep1er but I found their episode the most enjoyable. I actually dislike Vanilla Ice because I am not a fan of sampling in music production and his biggest hit sampled the iconic bass riff of Queen's Under Pressure, but Vanilla Ice's interaction with the girls pre-rehearsal was funny af and had me laughing. Then, they pulled off the coolest performance in the whole show. The acid bass synthesizer used in place of the Queen's Under Pressure sample in Ice Ice Baby kpopped it so good. There was also no overshadowing in that performance, everyone got equal highlights. Honestly, that turned me into a kep1er follower. Not yet a fan. Gotta have to listen to their discography first. The other kep1er girls also had me laughing in their pre-rehearsal adventure. Seems to me like they chose cooking classes for themselves. I was just kind of annoyed at how Taylor Dayne is too disgusted with the snails. Ke$ha and JO1 was a real crispy performance too. I only listened to Ke$ha when I was in high school during her TiK ToK era. I was surprised that she's called "mother" now because the only "mother" I knew was Mother Monster Lady Gaga. Also, I am not a fan of JO1 but I actually like the whole performance. The pairing was a match made in heaven. Ke$ha never lost her badass energy which the JO1 boys also carry. The song choice was perfect for JO1 and the performance was fire adorned by literal fire in the background. This is my first exposure to JO1 and it's a great first impression. Yeji's quiet fangirling towards Mel B and Emma (Spice Girls) was so cute too. That fierce leader energy she usually has just vanished. She was just smiling all the way. Never seen her that cute before. During the very first frame of the Wannabe performance, Ryujin fitted so much with Mel and Emma like she's a Spice Girl too. Chaeryeong attire looked like it's a Mel C outfit. I kinda just don't like how Lia and Yuna was dressed up for Say You'll Be There. Pure black was just unspicy for a Spice Girls song. It needed more color, but I love how Lia sounded while singing. I don't know if it's just me but she somehow reminded me of Britney Spears. I appreciate the show because through it, it exposed me to K-pop groups that I don't normally listen to and made me like them. I might have to listen to them more. Lastly, I really like that they kept lipsyncs at minimum. Really cool. I also think some vocals that sounded artificial was just production error that they cannot retake because the show isn't like a movie where they can just repeat scenes until perfection. submitted by /u/buko210 [link] [comments]

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Honestly as of right now I don’t think so. My guess is that they are hoping people will forget about it by time the debut comes around. I also think they wouldn’t want to kick her out if they have no other black/brown girl to take her place, since that probably wouldn’t look too good for a global girl group. submitted by /u/M0us3Cheezz [link] [comments]