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Hello everyone! We are excited to take a trip back in time to revisit some K-Pop classics once again, continuing with this rate, the "Early Gen 3" Girl Groups Rate! (If you haven't already, make sure to join r/kpoprates to ensure that you stay updated on future rate-related posts!) Quick Links: Ballot submission: Link to Reddit Chat to message a ballot // Ballot template (Google Docs ver.) // Ballot template (Pastebin) Playlists: Spotify // Youtube (Audio ver.) // Youtube (Lyrics ver.) // Youtube (MV ver.) Deadline: July 7th (Monday), 11:59 Pacific (Link to a timezone converter) How the songs were selected: We used the /r/kpop Top Ten Tuesdays results to grab the most adored songs from each of the artists on Reddit, and we also had a songlist feedback survey on /r/kpoprates to help decide the songlist! Now, without further ado, let's introduce the 55 songs (& 7 bonus songs) that were selected for this rate, ordered chronologically for each artist (artists were also ordered by debut date): . Spica: Russian Roulette You Don’t Love Me EXID: Every Night Up & Down Ah Yeah Hot Pink Night Rather Than Day DDD I Love You HelloVenus: Wiggle Wiggle I’m ill Mysterious Crayon Pop: Bar Bar Bar AOA: Miniskirt Short Hair Like a Cat Heart Attack Good Luck 10 Seconds Excuse Me FIESTAR: One More You’re Pitiful Ladies’ Code: Pretty Pretty Galaxy The Rain BESTie: Love Options Excuse me Mamamoo: Piano Man You’re the Best Décalcomanie Starry Night Egotistic Wind Flower Gogobebe HIP Laboum: Journey to Atlantis Hwi Hwi Lovelyz: Ah-Choo Destiny WoW! Now, We That Day Sonamoo: Friday Night GFriend: Me Gustas Tu Rough Navillera Fingertip Time For The Moon Night Apple Mago Brave Girls: Deepened Rollin’ We Ride Chi Mat Ba Ram After We Ride . Bonus Rate: The bonus rate is basically an extension of the main rate! There were several songs that received high praise during the songlist feedback survey that still were barely not able to make the main rate, so we have put them into the bonus rate here to give them a chance to be rated. . EXID - Lady HelloVenus - Venus Crayon Pop - FM Fiestar - Mirror Ladies’ Code - Bad Girl Laboum - Between Us GFriend - Labyrinth . The Bonus Rate is optional and you do not have to submit a score for every song in the bonus list if you do it: you can score none of them, all of them, or any number in between. You cannot give a 0 or 11 to any song in the bonus, as they are not part of the main rate. While it is optional, we hope you consider participating. Spotify playlist YouTube playlist (MV version) YouTube playlist (Audio version) YouTube playlist (Lyrics version) Rules: You must listen to and assign a score to EVERY song listed. If your ballot is missing any scores it will not be eligible and you'll be sent a message asking you to fill in the missing scores. Each song should be assigned a score between 1 to 10. Decimals up to one point are allowed but any further is a no-no – 6.9 is fine, but 6.99 is not. You can use ONE 0 and ONE 11 for the entirety of the rate, for your least favorite and most favorite song respectively - they are optional but HIGHLY encouraged if you feel some type of way about any given song! Comments are also encouraged but not required for such scores (except if you give a song a 0). Comments are encouraged and much appreciated (but not required, except for if you give a 0) and can be added to any song by simply typing after the numerical score, like so: Hip: 2.4 Ofc the title track that utilizes Mamamoo's vocal power the least ends up becoming the most popular (yells angrily at cloud) This is the ONLY correct way to format a comment. Please do not include colons (ex. 9: I stan!), dashes (ex. 3.3 - This song sucks), or any other symbol after your score/before your comment as it breaks the program. You can also give comments for individual artists! Just write your comment after the :, such as the following: EXID: Are they pronounced like "exit" or are you supposed to say every letter separately? I'll never know For this rate and most future rates, we have a ballot average minimum of 4.00. In addition, if your ballot average is between 4.00-5.50, you must leave comments on your lower scores (which we define as any score that's a 3 or lower). {Do not worry about having to calculate your ballot average, once you submit your ballot, we will tell you if you need to make changes to your ballot for it to be accepted.} SUBMITTING A BALLOT: * Link to Reddit Chat to message a ballot As Reddit is (unfortunately) moving away from the private messaging system in favor of utilizing the Reddit chat system, we are forced to also adopt the Reddit chat system for messaging. You can make a copy of either the Google Docs or Pastebin ballot templates below, add your scores on your local copy/file, and send the link to your local copy/file in your Reddit Chat message to u/KpopRates_Ghost. * Google Docs ballot template * Pastebin ballot template Google spreadsheet template that you can use to calculate averages, record scores, and make predictions Alternatively, if you have Discord, you can message the link to your ballot to both the rate hosts, @Zypker124 and @aidshha. You can also submit the top/bottom 5 prediction form at any time. DUE DATE: Monday, July 7th, by 11:59 PM Pacific - This will be the FINAL deadline, no extensions will be given this time! (Here is a link to a time zone converter for the deadline.) REVEAL DATES (Reveals will take place on /r/kpoprates as well as the KpopRates Discord: https://discord.gg/4YY2ksBbT6) Day 1 - July 12th (Saturday), 8 AM Pacific (Time zone converter here) Day 2 - July 13th (Sunday), 8 AM Pacific (Time zone converter here) submitted by /u/kpoprates_ghost [link] [comments]

This megathread is about the ongoing dispute within HYBE and the management of sub-label ADOR. Substantial news developments may be posted to the subreddit (outside of the Megathreads). Moderators will only approve posts that focus on statements by relevant parties, official representatives, or legal authorities. Unofficial commentary, fandom activities, speculation, or blind items will not be acceptable. Articles or translations should ideally be presented as neutrally as possible. Titles or content that are obviously sensationalized or intended to persuade readers to one perspective will be removed. English-speaking news outlets that have relatively more neutral reporting include Soompi, Yonhap News, and Korea JoongAng Daily. THIS POST MAY BE LOCKED OR UNLOCKED AT VARYING TIMES based on what the moderators are able to manage during their shifts. Please be patient with us while we work to balance keeping up with the queue and our own lives. DISCLAIMER ABOUT SOURCES: We prefer to focus on official statements from companies or other vetted sources. There will be widespread speculation and rumor-heavy articles, but until presented in an official capacity we consider them unsubstantiated. As Mods, all we can do is compile and summarize, but we are not investigators or journalists. Summary of Previous Megathreads ONE and TWO and THREE contains HYBE's audit of ADOR and Min Hee Jin's 1st press conference. FOUR summarized all events up to April 30th, 2024. FIVE and SIX contains potential ADOR embezzlement, MHJ's injunction and hearing, and a letter from the parents of NewJeans. SEVEN and EIGHT and NINE contains MHJ's injunction granted May 30th and remaining ADOR CEO, HYBE replacing ADOR board members, BELIFT LAB's video regarding plagiarism and lawsuit against MHJ. TEN and ELEVEN and TWELVE contains ex-ADOR employee's sexual harassment case, band Shakatak's plagiarism claim, HYBE 2.0 and ADOR restructuring with new CEO Kim Joo Young, MV director drama, the NewJeans livestream, MHJ's 2nd injunction filing and public events/interviews. THIRTEEN and FOURTEEN and FIFTEEN contains an interview with NewJeans' parents, Hanni and CEO Kim Joo Young at the National Assembly, MHJ's reappointment as director, Kim Taeho at the National Assembly, HYBE's Weekly Industry Report leak, the court's dismissal of MHJ's 2nd Injunction, ADOR board's vote against making MHJ's CEO again, NewJeans' certified letter of ultimatum to ADOR, rejection of Hanni's workplace bullying claim by labor ministry, MHJ's resignation from ADOR, and NewJeans' contract termination press conference. SIXTEEN and SEVENTEEN and EIGHTEEN contains ADOR's 26-page response to NewJeans' certified letter, Dispatch's exposé on MHJ's alleged strategy to leave HYBE, ADOR seeking validity of NewJeans member contracts, KMCA/KOSPO statements concerning tampering, the creation of the 'jeanzforfree' Instagram account, visa concerns, Employee B's MHJ defamation mediation failing, Davolink Chairman details, first hearings for Belift Lab and Source Music vs MHJ damages cases, dismissal of former ADOR VP's workplace harassment case against HYBE/ADOR, ADOR's injunction to halt NewJeans ad deals, and NewJeans rebranding to NJZ. MEGATHREAD NINETEEN covered mid-February to early March. Contains: Reports around Hanni's visa concerns and political involvement of National Assembly member Park Ji Won, NJZ parents establishing and posting to their PR Instagram account, the conclusion of three related allegations of 'workplace harassment' with no charges against HYBE/ADOR or ADOR CEO Kim Jooyoung, the joint press conference of 5 major industry organizations regarding tampering and contractual integrity, and the provisional injunction hearing for ADOR's complaint to restrict NJZ's music activities along with new ad deals until contract validity is determined. MEGATHREAD TWENTY covered the rest of March. Contains: The provisional injunction hearing and results two weeks later granting the injunction in ADOR's favor, NewJeans' activities at ComplexCon, NewJeans' filed objection to the injunction ruling and hearing set for early April, progress for Employee B, and general media/articles around the injunction results. MEGATHREAD TWENTY ONE covered all of April. Contains: HYBE's annual shareholders' meeting, the 1st hearing for confirmation of ADOR's contract validity with NewJeans, the hearing for NewJeans' objection to the injunction ruling and subsequent rejection of their objection by the judge one week later, and the 2nd hearing regarding shareholder agreement termination validity between HYBE and MHJ was designated to run jointly along with the case around exercising put/call options. Articles / Timeline 250422 This day marks one year since HYBE launched their audit of Min Hee Jin and ADOR's management. Happy(?) 1st anniversary of the Megathreads! 250502 The 3rd hearing for Min Hee Jin vs. Belift Lab was set to take place but postponed to July 18th at Belift Lab's request. Each side is due to present their arguments/documents regarding plagiarism issues at the next meeting. (Source: Maeil Kyungjae) 250530 We learned that ADOR had filed for 'indirect enforcement' after their injunction was granted and NewJeans performed at ComplexCon back in March (Filed on April 4th according to the statement from NewJeans' representatives linked below). On the 30th, the 52nd Division of the Seoul Central District court further granted this request. The 'indirect enforcement' ruling means that each individual member of NewJeans will be fined 1 billion won (approx. $725,000) if they continue with entertainment activities independent of ADOR, which would be in violation of the injunction. This enforcement with potential fines does NOT apply to any of NewJeans' independent activities between the granting of the injunction and the granting of this 'indirect enforcement'. These fines will only apply to future activities going forward, or at least until rulings with NewJeans' appeal or the main contract validity case changes anything (next hearing on June 5th). (Source: Chosun Biz, MK Sports) The Korea Herald: Court orders NewJeans to pay Ador 1 billion won for each unauthorized activity Discussion Post Korea JoongAng Daily: Court orders NewJeans members to pay ADOR $725,600 for every independent entertainment activity A statement by NewJeans' representatives was made later in the day primarily acknowledging the indirect enforcement ruling, but reiterating that it is temporary and will no longer have an effect if NewJeans win their appeal of the injunction. (Source: Ilgan Sports) The 2nd hearing for Source Music's damages lawsuit against Min Hee Jin took place at the 12th Civil Affairs Division of the Seoul Western District Court. (Quick recap: 1st was January 10th, 2nd was previously scheduled for March 14th, postponed per Source Music's request). Legal representatives were present. Source Music had a 20-minute presentation prepared, but Min Hee Jin's representatives objected to the inclusion of KakaoTalk messages in the presentation. They claimed the messages were illegally obtained and requested the hearing to be closed/private. Source Music denied the messages were obtained illegally, claiming they were gained from company devices with consent. The court went with a temporary compromise to keep the hearing public, but not allow discussion/display of the messages until they were reviewed again. A special hearing to review the messages will take place June 27th. (Source: Sports Today) 250605 The Seoul Central District Court Division 41 held the second hearing for ADOR seeking confirmation of validity for their exclusive contract with NewJeans. Only legal representatives were in attendance. NewJeans' side primarily argued that ADOR had not met their obligations and that their evidence they were preparing to support NewJeans' activities, like finding a new producer, was inadequate. ADOR's side argued that NewJeans' reasons for allegedly terminating their contract continually changed, indicating they are arbitrary and being made up with retroactive hindsight. The issue of some evidence being collected illegally also came up again from NewJeans' side. Judge Jung Hoe-Il specifically inquired if both/either sides were willing to come to an agreement, encouraging them to do so. NewJeans' representatives strongly indicated this was unlikely as the trust in ADOR had completely collapsed. ADOR's representatives indicated they could see negotiating an agreement once the court comes to a final decision. The 3rd hearing was set for July 24th. (Sources: X Sport News, Maeil Kyungjae) 250612 The next hearing regarding the Shareholder Agreement termination and exercising put/call options lawsuits between HYBE and Min Hee Jin was held at the Seoul Central District Court's 31st Division. Arguments from each side mostly re-tread what we've already covered. HYBE's side argued they were justified in ending the shareholder agreement due to the threat Min Hee Jin posed to the company. Min Hee Hin's side argued the timing of the audit/termination did not align purely with that concern and that some KakaoTalk messages and emails were obtained illegally and not admissable as evidence. HYBE also indicated they had a witness to give testimony at the next meeting, which the court accepted. The next hearing with closing arguments, was set for September 11th for both lawsuits. (Sources: Maeil Kyungjae, TV Daily, Sports Today) 250617 Following up from April 16th when NewJeans appealed the court's decision to uphold the injunction and halt on their independent activities, the Seoul High Court reaffirmed the earlier decision. The court rejected NewJeans' appeal. They determined there was no significant change in the material/arguments presented for the appeal and the original decision to grant ADOR's injunction was justified. There was further clarification that the management conflict between HYBE and Min Hee Jin, and her no longer being NewJeans' producer, did not constitute a valid argument for the alleged collapse of trust between ADOR and NewJeans. The group's withdrawal from ADOR is considered arbitrary, that their artistic freedom or activity is not impeded since they are able to do so within their exclusive contract, and that any damages resulting from attempting independent activities are self-inflicted. (Sources: Yonhap News, NewsPim, News 1) The Korea Herald: K-pop High Court rejects NewJeans appeal, upholding ban on independent activities Post Soompi: Seoul High Court Denies NewJeans' Appeal Of Injunction Decision Looking Ahead: June 27: Special hearing for Source Music vs. MHJ to review KakaoTalk messages as evidence July 18: 3rd hearing for Belift Lab vs. MHJ (postponed from May 2nd) July 24: 3rd hearing for ADOR seeking confirmation of validity for their exclusive contract with NewJeans September 11: Next hearing regarding the Shareholder Agreement termination and exercising put/call options lawsuits between HYBE and Min Hee Jin Ongoing Legal Complaints/Investigations: HYBE's report to the Financial Supervisory Service (FSS) regarding potential insider trading by ADOR management (Korea JoongAng) HYBE's complaint against Min Hee Jin for 'breach of trust' (Yonhap) Belift Lab's complaint against Min Hee Jin for defamation (Soompi) and additionally for business interference (The Korea Herald) SOURCE MUSIC's lawsuit against Min Hee Jin for damages in regards to the disruption of business/defamation of LE SSERAFIM (Korea JoongAng) and additionally regarding alleged false claims by MHJ for the launch strategy of N Team/NewJeans (Soompi) British band Shakatak's plagiarism claim against NewJeans' 'Bubble Gum' (Yonhap) Min Hee Jin and HYBE executives filed reports against each other back-to-back (Soompi and Korea JoongAng) Former ADOR Employee 'B' filed complaint against MHJ in relation to sexual harassment cover-up and workplace mistreatment. (JTBC) MV Director Shin Woo Seok filed a lawsuit against ADOR CEO Kim Joo Young and ADOR VP Lee Do Kyung for defamation. (Korea JoongAng) MHJ's lawsuits against Belift Lab's Kim Tae Ho for defamation (Yonhap), HYBE CCO Park Tae Hee and PR Director Cho for breach of duty (Yonhap), and HYBE executives and Dispatch reporters for defamation. (Soompi) (One or both of these might be re-statements of earlier suits.) ADOR's lawsuit to determine validity of their contracts with NewJeans (Soompi) Link back to MEGATHREADS 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 GROUND RULES IN COMMENTS If you have come to this subreddit to discuss anything, you are choosing to participate in a moderated space with rules of conduct enforced by human beings. All users are subject to the discretion of moderators to manage this space even if it's in ways you don't agree with. Do not Insult users, fans, or artists. 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Ew trump. I do not support any misogynistic, white nationalist, incel, hitler-like (esp. Musk), racists at all and neither does this sub and apparently neither does reddit as a site as a whole. He stands against everything Kpop stands for which is an art form from a formerly colonized people from a country that is rising up against colonialism and hatred. Anyone who comments anything negative to this, or tries to defend that orange guy will be banned permanently. Go somewhere else, we don't want your lower kind here. This is why American women everywhere are going 4b EDIT!!!: 4B 4B4B4B4B4B!! 4B IN THE SOUTH, 4B IN THE NORTH, 4B FROM TEXAS TO ALABAMA, FROM BYU TO COLOMBIA! 4B ALL FIFTY STATES! A CONVICTED PEDO AND FELON IS NOW PRESIDENT SO IF YOU'RE A WOMAN WITH ANY SELF RESPECT 4B, 4B, 4b (ESPCIALLY THE CONSERVATIVES!!!!) submitted by /u/Kpop_Love_Forever [link] [comments]

Hey folks! Over in r/kpop we just posted a new special Town Hall that is focused only on the Flairs we use to help organize our posts based on content categories. Link to r/kpop's 'All About Flairs' Town Hall We included announcements for new flairs here on r/kpoppers and also on r/kpophelp. The following is the section relevant for this subreddit. NEW FLAIRS! Connect - This flair will be used for anything where fans are trying to socially connect with each other. Announcing new K-Pop subreddits or Discords, looking for mutual fans on social media, wanting to meet up at a concert, seeking fans in a region to form a dance group, networking for a fan project, announcing a K-Pop night at a club, etc. Research - Academic surveys related to K-Pop or fandom topics. We'll keep an eye on these new flairs to see if they create any confusion or need adjustments. Let us know if you have any thoughts, concerns, or questions! submitted by /u/alleybetwixt [link] [comments]

Majority of the viewers only voted the contestants that are same nationality as them instead of talent. For example in universe ticket a show that formed UNIS there's this Indonesian contestant (I forgot her name) that got rank so high in fan votes despite terrible performance of wonder girls cover 'tell me' and i think it went viral because it was so bad. Thank god she got eliminated in the end but it was still sucks because there's alot of contestants that got eliminated earlier who's more talented than her. It was obvious she ranked so high because of her nationality submitted by /u/Party-Confection417 [link] [comments]

I don't need to mention a specific group because of how common it's gotten. I've been watching old 2nd gen videos from SNSD's Japan tours and wow.. They're actually singing! I blame TikTok for this lameness, because it's not only infiltrated kpop but also Western pop music as well. submitted by /u/AnnualConstruction85 [link] [comments]

not him tryna reheat Saja boys’ nachos /s i dont want to say what i think the group will sound and act like cz yk the benefit of the doubt and whatnot, but i just know ill be disappointed but not surprised🙂 submitted by /u/Mobile-Structure5702 [link] [comments]

Thought this was cool lol submitted by /u/Available_Fold_7769 [link] [comments]

for me its going to be love language ( txt ) , no doubt ( enha) , superwoman ( unis ) submitted by /u/Ssqpphirc1111 [link] [comments]

I have 3 albums that my older sister gave me but I'm still thinking about whether to keep it in my dura box or in the cabinet because it might get damaged or there might be termites. It's my first time having a kpop albums, please give me some advice. (Correct me if I'm wrong) submitted by /u/ndnsbno_xchie09 [link] [comments]

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Hellooo I am 21M and I will love to have friends in NYC with who I can go to concerts, pop up events, kpop stores and basically hangout and rant about kpop! I started listening to K-pop in 2017 thanks to NCT 127, which is how I became interested in the genre and discovered a ton of groups. I consider myself a multistan of both bg and gg, and over the years l've managed to see several of my favorite groups in concert, but honestly I can't help but feel alone in this hobby. I'm an extrovert so it has never been difficult for me to make friends, but so far I don't have any friends who share this hobby. I've tried several times at concerts to make friends and I am normally able to, but they already have their group of friends established, so after the concert they don't really keep in touch. That's why I decided to write this post here, hopefully I can finally make some kpop friends here in NYC!! submitted by /u/Chemical_Ad1564 [link] [comments]

I noticed this happening a lot lately. Fandoms will constantly call out certain fanbases if they see any toxic behavior. But some fanbases be toxic all the time and never get called out. The fandoms even defend and make excuses for these fans like “not all X fans are like this. Don’t generalize” or “stop making X fans look bad.” submitted by /u/taejinkook28 [link] [comments]

My post was already banned on another subreddit (ironic considering they’re supposed to be uncensored) and I am probably going to get downvoted here as well for this considering that nmixx whilst isn’t necessarily Reddit’s favourite, they are still quite universally liked regardless or there is nothing to dislike about them. After some recent reported sales this year, I’ve started to become incredibly doubtful whether some of these groups are actually selling how much they’re selling. Now I’m only going to focus on nmixx because I feel the most suspicious about them but regardless, it is not only this group that I have some doubts about. Anyway, the group who I’m most suspicious about is Nmixx. Now I know they’re a group who’ve had the exact same speculation quite a few times in the past, but I continue to not see how they sell like this. This isn’t me just hating for them no reason, for me the data heavily doesn’t line up to the point I have to consider them a massive outlier in every metric against competition. Many times when this has been brought up, when I use the other 4th gen ggs and even ggs under their own company or bgs, who nmixx sells in the same levels of, as a medium of comparison, people instantly denounce it and say it is flawed because of this but I personally don’t see how. The top 4th gen ggs being lsfm, njs, aespa, ive, idle and the gg under their company being twice. Whilst nmixx doesn’t necessarily sell more than 4 of them (their recent album very slightly outsold lsfm although lsfm has more overall sales this year due to back catalogue) they are still extremely close to this competition especially twice considering twice’s recent album has sold 795k to nmixx’s 751k. Now we all know nmixx is way behind in terms of streaming, their song didn’t even enter top 100 melon this year and the Spotify streams were very eh whilst all the other groups had either strong showings on platforms like Spotify (lsfm, aespa, twice), YouTube (everyone) or melon (everyone but twice and idle). We also know that nmixx’s engagement is way below on pretty much all platforms of interest whether Weibo, douyin, yt, TikTok, insta etc. But even then I could consder nmixx fandom to be like a bg, they sell well but their chart performance isn’t that good but then again, bgs who sell like this aka tws, ateez, treasure etc actually have decent chatting whether Korean or on Spotify. But that isn’t the main issue for nmixx as at the end of the day we’re talking about album sales and not streaming charts but against all these ggs, nmixx doesn’t just falter massively behind in terms of streaming charts whether Korean, global, Japanese, Chinese etc they also falter in the most important thing in this case which is album charts behind these same ggs. You can attribute sales of all the other ggs to different charts in different countries. For example, I can reference idle’s 1 million sales this year to their massive Chinese fandom hence why you see them chart well on Chinese charts and their cbar sales especially yuqi is always high. Lesserafim can be attributed to Sakura cbar, over 100k sales for kr album from just japan (oricon) and idk exact figures but like 60k+ sales from usa on billboard 200. Aespa can be attributed to also billboard 200 (recent prediction had them at like 37k debut I believe), their massive cbars, their jp sales on oricon for their jp album (166k) because kr album hasn’t been reported yet, large kr fandom backed by charting. Ive can also be attributed to cbars, massive young Kr fandom, very high Japanese sales for jp album (177k) and kr album (60k) on oricon etc Twice also to their us sales which is the highest out of all these groups, jp sales only behind lsfm, currently the most streamed gg on Spotify etc Yet nmixx cbars are no way near as big as the these ggs, they haven’t charted on billboard 200 with their recent album, they don’t chart on pretty much any European charts and their oricon sales is literally 5k. So they don’t sell well in pretty much any major market of K-pop consumption so Im going to have assume pretty much all of their sales is coming from Korea. Now if nmixx was selling 600k-700k just from Korea especially for a gg, they’d easily have the sort of fan base where they are able to chart on the melon top 100 but clearly they weren’t even able to do that so idk. Maybe they have a large fandom who just buy and don’t stream, so their concert attendance might be decent. But whilst sure they haven’t gone a tour yet, their fan concert in Korea was at jangchung arena with a max capacity of 4500. I previously said in this post that they struggled to sell but supposedly to a commenter they did not struggle to sell but from what photos I saw, the arena I believe did not open all the seats which I assumed were unsold. I am sorry for the misinformation . Regardless, I still don’t think that infers having a fandom on the level which can sell 600-700k sales in just Korea especially considering other ggs who sell way less (as I’ve shown facts for) in jp are able to hold Tokyo domes whilst nmixx is playing in a much smaller capacity. Im not trying to downplay that capacity as that’s actually very good for the average K-pop group all things considered but that also is a representation that they clearly don’t have a big fan base in kr either. This ain’t even a case of mass buying from rich fans or whatever because mass purchases will still show up on these charts regardless so genuinely what chart do they show up on where something like at least 20k (small number considering the 750k sales) can be reflected. So in the end, the only way nmixx is selling THAT many sales (750k is a lot all Im saying) is if I consider them to be EXTREMELY massive outliers, not only for ggs but K-pop groups as a whole, where they don’t chart well (for the level of sales), don’t appear on pretty much any album charts (for the levels of sales) and definitely don’t tour as well (sure their tour hasn’t yet been announced but all the other ggs are playing in the realms of Tokyo dome which I know mmixx by no offence can do). With that being said, can someone genuinely tel me where 750k of their sales are coming from? Im not even trying to say they don’t sell anything and are flops but just that whatever division of jyp they’re under is clearly pushing up their sales. Realistically they probably sell slightly less than their other sister group in itzy (not a bad thing), who for me clearly have way better metrics on every single platform which isn’t Korean (they both dont chart well so who really cares) showcasing itzy’s own fan base is also imo way bigger. That would mean nmixx sell like 400k which is still incredibly impressive for a gg just not 750k. submitted by /u/No-Story7823 [link] [comments]

I am probably going to get downvoted for this considering that nmixx whilst isn’t necessarily Reddit’s favourite, they are still quite universally liked regardless or there is nothing to dislike about them. After some recent reported sales this year, I’ve started to become incredibly doubtful whether some of these groups are actually selling how much they’re selling. Now I’m only going to focus on nmixx because I feel the most suspicious about them but regardless, it is not only this group that I have some doubts about. Anyway, the group who I’m most suspicious about is Nmixx. Now I know they’re a group who’ve had the exact same speculation quite a few times in the past, but I continue to not see how they sell like this. This isn’t me just hating for them no reason, for me the data heavily doesn’t line up to the point I have to consider them a massive outlier in every metric against competition. Many times when this has been brought up, when I use the other 4th gen ggs and even ggs under their own company or bgs, who nmixx sells in the same levels of, as a medium of comparison, people instantly denounce it and say it is flawed because of this but I personally don’t see how. The top 4th gen ggs being lsfm, njs, aespa, ive, idle and the gg under their company being twice. Whilst nmixx doesn’t necessarily sell more than 4 of them (their recent album very slightly outsold lsfm although lsfm has more overall sales this year due to back catalogue) they are still extremely close to this competition especially twice considering twice’s recent album has sold 795k to nmixx’s 751k. Now we all know nmixx is way behind in terms of streaming, their song didn’t even enter top 100 melon this year and the Spotify streams were very eh whilst all the other groups had either strong showings on platforms like Spotify (lsfm, aespa, twice), YouTube (everyone) or melon (everyone but twice and idle). We also know that nmixx’s engagement is way below on pretty much all platforms of interest whether Weibo, douyin, yt, TikTok, insta etc. But even then I could consder nmixx fandom to be like a bg, they sell well but their chart performance isn’t that good but then again, bgs who sell like this aka tws, ateez, treasure etc actually have decent chatting whether Korean or on Spotify. But that isn’t the main issue for nmixx as at the end of the day we’re talking about album sales and not streaming charts but against all these ggs, nmixx doesn’t just falter massively behind in terms of streaming charts whether Korean, global, Japanese, Chinese etc they also falter in the most important thing in this case which is album charts behind these same ggs. You can attribute sales of all the other ggs to different charts in different countries. For example, I can reference idle’s 1 million sales this year to their massive Chinese fandom hence why you see them chart well on Chinese charts and their cbar sales especially yuqi is always high. Lesserafim can be attributed to Sakura cbar, over 100k sales for kr album from just japan (oricon) and idk exact figures but like 60k+ sales from usa on billboard 200. Aespa can be attributed to also billboard 200 (recent prediction had them at like 37k debut I believe), their massive cbars, their jp sales on oricon for their jp album (166k) because kr album hasn’t been reported yet, large kr fandom backed by charting. Ive can also be attributed to cbars, massive young Kr fandom, very high Japanese sales for jp album (177k) and kr album (60k) on oricon etc Twice also to their us sales which is the highest out of all these groups, jp sales only behind lsfm, currently the most streamed gg on Spotify etc Yet nmixx cbars are no way near as big as the these ggs, they haven’t charted on billboard 200 with their recent album, they don’t chart on pretty much any European charts and their oricon sales is literally 5k. So they don’t sell well in pretty much any major market of K-pop consumption so Im going to have assume pretty much all of their sales is coming from Korea. Now if nmixx was selling 600k-700k just from Korea especially for a gg, they’d easily have the sort of fan base where they are able to chart on the melon top 100 but clearly they weren’t even able to do that so idk. Maybe they have a large fandom who just buy and don’t stream, so their concert attendance might be decent. But whilst sure they haven’t gone a tour yet, their fan concert in Korea was at jangchung arena with a max capacity of 4500 which Im pretty sure sure they struggled immensely to sell and it was definitely not full Now Im not trying to downplay that capacity as that’s actually very good for the average K-pop group all things considered but that also is a representation that they clearly don’t have a big fan base in kr either This ain’t even a case of mass buying from rich fans or whatever because mass purchases will still show up on these charts regardless so genuinely what chart do they show up on where something like at least 20k (small number considering the 750k sales) can be reflected. So in the end, the only way nmixx is selling THAT many sales (750k is a lot all Im saying) is if I consider them to be EXTREMELY massive outliers, not only for ggs but K-pop groups as a whole, where they don’t chart well (for the level of sales), don’t appear on pretty much any album charts (for the levels of sales) and definitely don’t tour as well (sure their tour hasn’t yet been announced but all the other ggs are playing in the realms of Tokyo dome which I know mmixx by no offence can do). With that being said, can someone genuinely tel me where 750k of their sales are coming from? Im not even trying to say they don’t sell anything and are flops but just that whatever division of jyp they’re under is clearly pushing up their sales. Realistically they probably sell slightly less than their other sister group in itzy (not a bad thing), who for me clearly have way better metrics on every single platform which isn’t Korean (they both dont chart well so who really cares) showcasing itzy’s own fan base is also imo way bigger. That would mean nmixx sell like 400k which is still incredibly impressive for a gg just not 750k. submitted by /u/No-Story7823 [link] [comments]

once there was a "which seventeen members piss in the shower" post on twt and sincerely. can we just enjoy the music please. submitted by /u/SomeRaceHorseName [link] [comments]

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